My Strip Pirogue

[beekeeper]

Put the first coat of varnish on today. What it is is what it is.
Thanks Wannabe for answering captindoug's questions.
It is flat paneled, but has soft (rounded over) chines. I don't think you can do that with the stitch and glue method.
I used a strongback with forms every foot. Each strip is clamped to every form while the glue dries. This also prevents nail holes.
The bead and cove allow the strips to roll around the radius between the sides and bottom without having to plane the edges of each strip. They keep the strips flush with each other between stations. I ran out of bead and coved strips for the bottom and finished with plain ones. I learned they should have been clamped together between forms while the glue dried, to keep them flush with each other. It would have saved a lot of sanding.
The pattern for the forms were made from measurements of my other pirogue, with a few changes. Swampwood drew patterns for me using that information. I built the forms with hard chines and then rounded them off. I used a 4" radius midway and tapering to 0" at each stem.

beekeeper

 

[Kayak Jack]

Durn, BK, you're so proud of that boat you'll need a bigger hat to wear at the Rendezvous. :wink:

 

[beekeeper]

Keith and seedtick have worked on this soft chined pirogue and maybe another one.

Does anybody have pictures or information about others.

Thanks
beekeeper

 

[gbinga]

Looking at the picture Beekeeper posted.... when does a pirogue quit being a pirogue? Isn't that a canoe? Where do you draw the line?

Another way of putting it would be, "is there any such thing as a soft chine pirogue"?

Of course a dugout is soft chine, so maybe the answer is "yes". But then again, what is the difference between a "dugout pirogue" and a "dugout canoe"? Is there any?

George

 

[oldsparkey]

Of course a dugout is soft chine, so maybe the answer is "yes". But then again, what is the difference between a "dugout pirogue" and a "dugout canoe"? Is there any?

George

I will not swear to it but it appears that location is the main factor in what you want to call it. Louisiana it would be a pirogue , Florida a dugout canoe. Here in Florida it is mostly refereed to just as a dugout , like the ones the Seminoles use to show tourists about the boats they used in the old days. Sometimes today. Just depends on where you are.

This is a picture from a postcard taken back in 1911.......Seminole family in the Miami area.

 

[beekeeper]

The last coat of varnish is dry. I will sand the graphite tomorrow, and will be glad to be finished. It has been a long build.

beekeeper

 

[Kayak Jack]

I've often been quite successful at turning a six week project into a six month one. sigh Efficiency sucks.

 

[Beesboy]

It wouldn't have been such a long build If I would have stopped taking you fishing in the old boats and letting you catch all the fish. :lol:

 

[beekeeper]

It wouldn't have been such a long build If I would have stopped taking you fishing in the old boats and letting you catch all the fish. :lol:

This don't count as a delay:



Nor this. Does it?



Thanks for the delays.
beekeeper

 

[oldsparkey]

It wouldn't have been such a long build If I would have stopped taking you fishing in the old boats and letting you catch all the fish. :lol:

That's just us but why in the heck weren't we invited to the fish fry when you got home, after all we were fishing with you. :wink:

 

[beekeeper]

We didn't have time to clean fish, had to finish the boat. Beesboy grilled burgers for a "finished" celebration.
It was a fun and learning build. I am looking forward to trying this one.
I am pleased with the way it came out. It might be my best one. A few trips will tell, but that will have to wait a few more days.

beekeper

 

[Kayak Jack]

Those bottom chines have a nice, round curve to them.

 

[seedtick]

be interested to see if you can tell the difference between a soft chine and a hard chine in the water

 

[captaindoug]

Man O' Man, that sure turned out pretty. How do you get away with no ribs or thwarts? To get the rounded chine, did you sand through the sides into that chine log inside or was that put in after. I wish you had some photos of the stations and strongback set-up. Really nice way you did that inwale tapering to nothing.

 

[hairymick01]

Geez Beekeeper,

I LOVE your boat!

A few questions if you don't mind

1. How many stations on your strongback?

2. How much rocker?

3. What is the radious on your soft chines?

respectfully,

a pirougeless (for now) Mick

 

[beekeeper]

Thanks for all the compliments.
Lots of questions so bear with me.

captindoug
I don't know for sure if I have "gotten away without ribs or thwarts". There is some flex to the sides. The cap rail over the gunnel ,side, and edge of the inwale stiffened the sides a lot. A few trips will tell me if it is "strong enough" as is. I belive it is. If not there are several ways to strengthen the sides or floor if needed.
There is no chine log. I think what you see are the two cypress highlight strips in the floor. The forms are rounded over where the sides and bottom meet (chine) and the strips are clamped and rolled around them. The strips are then sanded over smooth with the belt sander on the outside. A disk sanding pad on a drill and lots of hand sanding shaped the inside radius.
Sorry I don't have a picture of the stations at this time.

Mick
1. 13 stations, one foot apart.

2. 2.5" at the bow, 1.5" at the stern

3. I used a 4" diameter circle templet. That would be a 2" radius, correct? It tapered to zero at each end.

beekeeper

 

[beekeeper]

This is a disclaimer; The seat pictured is owned by swampwood. It was only used by me to enhance the apearance of my boat. :wink: I had the boat weighed today on the boat weighing scales and certified by the official weighmaster :wink: Keith Felders at 45lbs. I wanted a lighter boat but didn't expect that much reduction. I am very pleased. Thanks again to swampwood and keith and seedtick.

Just a couple more pictures:

beekeeper

 

[rhutchinson]

That first picture really shows the furniture quality of this boat. May I suggest a glass top and put it in front of your sofa?

The other two pictures show it being held up with a clamp. Seedtick and friend Kieth have a set of fingers they use for that , you may have been able to borrow? :lol: :lol:

Richard

 

[beekeeper]

That first picture really shows the furniture quality of this boat. May I suggest a glass top and put it in front of your sofa?

The other two pictures show it being held up with a with a clamp. Seedtick and friend Kieth have a set of fingers they use for that , you may have been able to borrow? :lol: :lol:

Richard

Thanks Rchard.
Keith has seedtick or seedtick has Keith. It's just me and the clamp. :cry: :wink:
I better add quickly, Mrs. beekeeper does help a lot.

beekeeper

 

[rhutchinson]

The fingers thing was in reference to a post Kieth and Seedtick made a year or so ago showing yet another example of there craftsmanship. The boat was on it's side and an observant member noticed on the upper gunnel 4 little pink fingers wrapped around it. There was some concern expressed as to where they had come from and the answer was not to worry that they show up from time to time.
My mind refuses to retain even the smallest bit of useful knowledge, but I'll remember some little quip like that till they throw dirt in my face! And the doctors don't know why!!! :lol: