They had some good chatter. I'd get amused, though, at the various breeds of "purists" who chided guys who riveted their joints instead of lashing with nylon, "like the Aleuts did." I paddled a few times with a guy who made a skin-on-stick boat with 2X4's and willow branches. The 2X4's were his gunnels, with holes drilled along in the bottom edges. He stuck in willow branches (from a tree in his front yard) as ribs. Had a nice pair of boats.