Newbie With UJ questions
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BlueGill said:
Exposure to epoxy can have a cumulative effect and you can develop an allergy to it as time goes by.
You can protect yourself by,
-wearing disposable gloves faithfully (try not to ever get the stuff on your skin to start with).
-cleaning up with soap and water, NOT solvents. Talking about your skin here, not the boat. Sometimes you need acetone to clean your work or your tools, but don't use it to clean your skin.
-being careful as possible about breathing the sanding dust or getting it all over you. (I try to wet sand as much as possible, and use a respirator when I have to power sand).
Here is a West Systems link on health issues: http://www.westsystem.com/ss/health-effects-from-overexposure-to-epoxy/
Not trying to be alarmist here. I have never had a problem with the stuff. Most others don't have problems either. But like any chemical, you can save yourself some trouble by not being too casual about it.
When you wrote that you had "...developed a sensitivity to strong noxious fumes" it kind of made me think.
GB
thanks for the links. I've been diligent about exposure. I also am refinishing an old mandolin and whil sanding I was reluctant to breathe the dust, especially with the old varnish in it so used wet sanding and a mask when it was dry sanding. Good points
Ok, I'm ready to put the rub boards on but can't find 14 footers. Will it work to do a scarf joint there and screw and glue it all together at the same time? or keep looking or a 14 foot board?
Ok, I'm ready to put the rub boards on but can't find 14 footers. Will it work to do a scarf joint there and screw and glue it all together at the same time? or keep looking or a 14 foot board?
Well I took a business trip to Oregon during which I did some great work and sampled some single malt. Now I'm back home.
I got 16 foot boards for my rub boards and have screwed and glued one on. Will probably do the other tonight. Then I'll flip it and do the bottom before I take the sander and dress it up nice. Probably Sunday afternoon. The temperature is nearing 100 so that will be a great time to spend in the garage!
I've made a few mistakes and miscalculations but none that aren't manageable. I tried a scarf joint in a board for the rub board but it just don't bend like a real board so I went to Capital City Lumber and they had just what I need. I think I'll shop there from now on, rather than the big box.
It's really starting looking like a Boat Shaped Object.
Other than that. nothing to report other than the fact that single malt is so much more deliciously complex and flavorful than blended.
I got 16 foot boards for my rub boards and have screwed and glued one on. Will probably do the other tonight. Then I'll flip it and do the bottom before I take the sander and dress it up nice. Probably Sunday afternoon. The temperature is nearing 100 so that will be a great time to spend in the garage!
I've made a few mistakes and miscalculations but none that aren't manageable. I tried a scarf joint in a board for the rub board but it just don't bend like a real board so I went to Capital City Lumber and they had just what I need. I think I'll shop there from now on, rather than the big box.
It's really starting looking like a Boat Shaped Object.
Other than that. nothing to report other than the fact that single malt is so much more deliciously complex and flavorful than blended.
When it goes from a flat pile of wood to a 3D shape, you really start to feel like you've done something! 
It seems to me that if you have to scarf a rub rail, it's best to avoid the middle where most of the "bend" is. I try to keep it nearer the ends. And I'd give the scarf joint a good 24 hours before bending it into place. If you can find long enough pieces, they'll always be your best bet. Might have to rip them out of wider stock, but still worth it.
Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
It seems to me that if you have to scarf a rub rail, it's best to avoid the middle where most of the "bend" is. I try to keep it nearer the ends. And I'd give the scarf joint a good 24 hours before bending it into place. If you can find long enough pieces, they'll always be your best bet. Might have to rip them out of wider stock, but still worth it.
Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
I had 8 foot pieces and so to avoid the middle where it curves, and to avoid having the scarf where the side board scarf joint is, I would have had to have 2 scarfs per rub board. Once I did it and tried the bend, I just was not satisfied.
Which is what drove me to a locally owned, contractor centered real old fashioned lumber yard, which is where i should have gone in the first place.
you're right. I got up at two this morning for a drink of water and stood in the garage door just marveling at what is taking shape from a stack of lumber. It's good to get back to the roots
thanks all
Which is what drove me to a locally owned, contractor centered real old fashioned lumber yard, which is where i should have gone in the first place.
you're right. I got up at two this morning for a drink of water and stood in the garage door just marveling at what is taking shape from a stack of lumber. It's good to get back to the roots
thanks all
If you cover the joint with some fiberglass and epoxy you will not have any problems with them being in the center of the boat.
All of mine were butt joints and at the center. I covered them with about a 4 inch piece of glass the full width of the board ( 12 inches ) on the outside and inside. Then when the sides were together and the ends on I put the center rib right over the joint.
Chuck..........
PS. I tried scarf joints and they keep breaking on me so all of my pirogue's and the rest of the boats have been built with butt joints. The joint's are really covered with a double layer of glass. One layer when being assembled and then a final layer when the whole boat is glassed.
All of mine were butt joints and at the center. I covered them with about a 4 inch piece of glass the full width of the board ( 12 inches ) on the outside and inside. Then when the sides were together and the ends on I put the center rib right over the joint.
Chuck..........
PS. I tried scarf joints and they keep breaking on me so all of my pirogue's and the rest of the boats have been built with butt joints. The joint's are really covered with a double layer of glass. One layer when being assembled and then a final layer when the whole boat is glassed.
Cover scarf joints with glass? Chuck, I think you are talking about joints in the plywood. And from a "belt & suspenders" approach, that makes perfect sense. But When it comes to the rub rails and gunnels, I'd rather not cover them with anything but paint or varnish.
Particularly the rub rail, as it is subject to getting dinged up and is much easier to repair/replace if it isn't under a layer of glass.
Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
Particularly the rub rail, as it is subject to getting dinged up and is much easier to repair/replace if it isn't under a layer of glass.
Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
Oh wait. so no glass on the rub rail or yes glass on rub rail? I was planning on just covering the whole boat.
My mistake , the panels for the boat are what I was referring to ..... Not the rub rails which at some time might be replaced.
Well . . . . . . you could cut those 16' boards and reassemble them. :wink:BlueGill said:
Actually, when needed, a butt joint with fiber glass reinforcement on both sides works well. They are a bit touchy to handle until cure is pretty well along, but carefulness counts a bit extra here.
Oh there is no special story. I enjoy fishing although not often or well. I was once an active member of a blues music online community and combined my love for the blues with fishing and came up with 'BlueGill'.
I also have used DocJohn but since my pirogue is aimed to be a fishing vessel, i decided on bluegill for here. You can call me anything but hopefully don't call me late to supper.
I also have used DocJohn but since my pirogue is aimed to be a fishing vessel, i decided on bluegill for here. You can call me anything but hopefully don't call me late to supper.
BlueGill,
So then, if you tell us about taking your axe to your boat, that would mean you decided to make some music on the water, not do some violence to a pirogue?
That's good to know.
Blues and fishing are a natural combination!
"Wrong bait, wrong place, wrong time of day, just out on the water, wasting my time away. . . "
Amen Brother, I feel your pain! 8)
Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
So then, if you tell us about taking your axe to your boat, that would mean you decided to make some music on the water, not do some violence to a pirogue?
That's good to know.
Blues and fishing are a natural combination!
"Wrong bait, wrong place, wrong time of day, just out on the water, wasting my time away. . . "
Amen Brother, I feel your pain! 8)
Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
I've been restoring an old abused mandolin as i'm also building this boat. Maybe they will travel together.
Going to cut the bottom out tomorrow night. Makes me nervous but i've measured twice so hopefully will be ok
Going to cut the bottom out tomorrow night. Makes me nervous but i've measured twice so hopefully will be ok