"Military" weapons

[jdupre']

Years back on the Donahue show, he had a bunch of anti-gunners and pro-gunners on. That was about the time when the anti's wanted to ban all weapons that LOOKED like military weapons( pistol grip, large magazine, etc.). One pro-gun gunsmith took an off-the-shelf .22 rifle , took it out of the stock and plopped it down inside a black nylon stock with a pistol grip--2 minutes. He said " It's the same gun, I just changed the look. Is this gun any more dangerous than it was 2 minutes ago?"

You know the anti-gunners still insisted that it was a military weapon and shouldn't be sold to the public! You can't reason with that kind of logic. :roll:

 

[coogzilla]

Milsurps are legal to own. Their classed as "curios" or what.
Enfield's, Mosin's, Carcanno's, Springfields, Garand's, are all legal
to own if their 50yr's old. SKS too. AK's are a no no here in Kali.
Coogs

 

[reptarz]

Most African Americans, according to several studies I’ve read, favor stricter gun control laws. On the one hand, I can understand their concerns about gun crimes, because Black on Black crime is a substantial problem. However, they need to think this through. Do they really want someone else being responsible for their well being? Has anyone ever really looked out for their best interests? I think not.

 

[Kayak Jack]

Decisions are made with emotions. Some of us use logic to pre-sort evidence and options before we decide, but hte actual decison is made with emotion.

For the times when we don't use logic, we're running on hunch, emotion, prejudice, guess, hope, etc.

 

[oldsparkey]

These are advisers that only have to answer and make suggestions to Your President and it should give you a direction this country is taking or going. You think it is bad now , Just hold on to your hats . You tell me Washington has not gone to the DOG's and want to do everything they can to make us a third world power.
I'm sure this will have me listed as a terrorist since I do not like what is there and what is happening. Or will happen to us.

Chuck.
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[graybeard]

Re:

Milsurps are legal to own. Their classed as "curios" or what.
Enfield's, Mosin's, Carcanno's, Springfields, Garand's, are all legal
to own if their 50yr's old. SKS too. AK's are a no no here in Kali.
Coogs

Wikipedia has a pretty good write-up.

C&R licenses are supposed to be a little easier and a little cheaper than an FFL. 50 years got a lot more interesting in 1995, since WWII surplus became available.

Even better are weapons 100 yrs old or more - no restrictions at all, unless covered by another law (no machine guns, howitzers, etc). I've been tempted, but I don't know guns well enough to know if an antique is safe to fire, and don't know any gunsmiths I'd trust.

 

[Wannabe]

o3a3 is over 100 years old and ammo can be gotten anywhere. 6.5x55 mauser, same deal.
Bob

 

[dawallace45]

Another thread I've only just found

Decisions are made with emotions. Some of us use logic to pre-sort evidence and options before we decide, but hte actual decison is made with emotion.

This is some thing I've never been accused of and probably never will be accused of , my family and friends reckon that I'm probably the most unemotional person they know , My wife's pet name for me is Spock , as such I really don't under stand excessive emotion or making decisions based on emotion , I always used to say that emotion is a crutch for the terminally stupid , of course this attitude hasn't often won me any friends , LOL

David

 

[jdupre']

David, you would absolutely freak at the state of American culture nowadays. It seems to be MOSTLY based on emotion- very little logic involved.

Joey

 

[BEARS BUDDY]

Most African Americans, according to several studies I’ve read, favor stricter gun control laws. On the one hand, I can understand their concerns about gun crimes, because Black on Black crime is a substantial problem. However, they need to think this through. Do they really want someone else being responsible for their well being? Has anyone ever really looked out for their best interests? I think not.

Many forget that some states passed "Black Codes" that prevented blacks from owning any firearm except a shotgun after the Reconstruction. The laws were used to ensure they were not able to protect themselves from KKK types. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Wannabe]

BB,
With the KKK you have no doubt what their all about. The Liberal Left hides their evil deeds behind good intentions. Every time you hear them say "it's for the children, to save the mother earth, to help those less fortunate, ect." grit your teeth and hang on. They are about to do us harm.
Bob

 

[oldsparkey]

Do they really want someone else being responsible for their well being? Has anyone ever really looked out for their best interests? I think not.

Dealing with anyone else looking out for your best interests , there is only one person that can do that and that is the individual. If that is not done then the responsibility is accepted from outside sources and they have only there best interest at heart , not yours.
Which makes that person more dependent on the outside source then on there own. It's a vicious cycle if you let yourself be caught up in it ...... which I refuse to let myself be trapped by it.

Banning firearms is one good way to make everyone reliant on someone else. There would be no hunting ( food gathering ) , personal protection.... someone breaking in your house ,grab the broom and sweep yourself under a carpet. Besides like that saying goes , When guns are outlawed , only outlaws will have guns. In plain language .. You want total control over the population , remove all the firearms.

The honest law abiding individual would be at the mercy of every thug out there. A good case in point is right here in Florida... When the citizens got the concealed weapon permits and carried handguns the strong armed robbery declined by a large percentage. All of a sudden the crooks found out they could get shot if they stuck a weapon in a persons face and demanded there money , or broke into a house to burglarize it.

Chuck.

 

[Kayak Jack]

Another thread I've only just found

Decisions are made with emotions. Some of us use logic to pre-sort evidence and options before we decide, but the actual decision is made with emotion.

This is some thing I've never been accused of and probably never will be accused of , my family and friends reckon that I'm probably the most unemotional person they know , My wife's pet name for me is Spock , as such I really don't under stand excessive emotion or making decisions based on emotion , I always used to say that emotion is a crutch for the terminally stupid , of course this attitude hasn't often won me any friends

David, you can substitute "values" for emotion, if you like. The definition of a decision is, "What we have to do if our information is so insufficient, or so poorly organized, that the course of action is not obvious."

 

[BEARS BUDDY]

BB,
With the KKK you have no doubt what their all about. The Liberal Left hides their evil deeds behind good intentions. Every time you hear them say "it's for the children, to save the mother earth, to help those less fortunate, ect." grit your teeth and hang on. They are about to do us harm.
Bob

I know all too well what they are about. My point is "gun control" was the first step to complete control. Keeping weapons out of the hands of the subjects has always been a priority of dictators.

As for the less fortunate, note how much the liberals donate :lol: to causes without a political agenda. (algore, Hanoi Jane, Billy-Bob Clinton)

 

[Wannabe]

I came in from work this afternoon and went into the living room and Nathan was watching a movie. Hanoi Jane was in the movie. All I said was 'bctih; and walked out.
Bob

 

[tx river rat]

x2 BOB
Ron

 

[Kayak Jack]

I guess I'd have changed the channel and explained to him why she will not ever be here. I Helped bring back two POW's from North Viet Nam; they told me first hand about her.

 

[WDfrmTN]

o3a3 is over 100 years old and ammo can be gotten anywhere. 6.5x55 mauser, same deal.
Bob

That doesn't cover it under the 100 year rule. The weapon must be 100 yrs old at the time that law was passed.